To say that there has been a lot of speculation and misinformation circling the DualCor cPC would be an understatement. To cut through the rumors, I went straight to the source and spoke with Rob Howe, President and COO of DualCor, on October 23, 2006.

After our phone conversation, I emailed him the notes I had taken along with further questions his comments had raised. To clarify, the numbered segments below are my notes based upon Rob’s statements during our conversation.

Below, is the resulting email from him, published verbatim and with his knowledge…

1. Rob never said there would be not be a “version one cPC”. However, the main major processor is already obsolete, and parts availability for version one has become a problem. So the biggest issue at the moment is materials and the resulting prices for the parts used.

Gear Diary: Does this mean that version one might just end up being impractical to make, meaning that it would have to be realistically skipped over for a version two? Or does it simply mean that the components of version one would need to be reworked?

Howe:  A little of both.  Obviously we won’t release a product with a major part that is or is soon going obsolete.  We’re evaluating several options.

2. DualCor is a small company, they need to make a call on where to put their engineering resources.

Gear Diary: So where are resources being put right now; or have things come to a sort of standstill at the moment?

Howe: We are focused in two areas: 

1. Continuation engineering on Version 0.9-1.0

2. Development of our next product.

3. As it is, the basic cPC design costs too much; it has 3 processors and 2 boards. Another issue is that the thermals have been hard to engineer; it gets hot when running XP. No hotter than a notebook might, but not everyone understands that this is normal.

Gear Diary: So are you looking for a way to make the device less costly and at the same time more user friendly? What do you feel that that will entail – or do you think that the device is basically there.

Howe: Actually, the cPC has two processors, two boards and a couple of cards for the external devices, pointer and such.  As a first-out product, we’re very pleased with the cPC Version 0.9.  Customer feedback (that’s why you do engineering sample programs, right?) has taught us a number of things about size, thermals, interface devices and peripherals which we’ll implement going forward.  I’m a believer in the Mackenzie principle of integrated marketing.  I’ve asked our engineering organization to build processes whereby we are constantly integrating the information we learn from our customers, what is happening in the supply chain and what we see over the horizon into our products as we go along.  Bryan Cupps and his team have that concept clearly aligned with their development methodologies.

Gear Diary: Would future models still ship with both XP and WM5, or are you looking to do away with one or the other operating systems?

Howe:  The brilliance of the DualCor approach is that the embedded processor running Windows Mobile 5 controls the resources of the device as well as the other processor which is running Windows XP/Vista.  That’s what allows the cPC to have such enormous power in such a small package with such long battery life.  It’s our core proposition.  We not only won’t get away from it, we’re continuing to refine, develop and increase the power of the cPC while making it smaller, sleeker, more versatile, more durable and more elegant.  No one else can do what we do without violating our patents.

4. There are several hundred units “out there” in real-life situations, and results have shown that there is a serious demand for version one.

Gear Diary: What industries do you feel would most benefit from a device such as the cPC? Or do you feel it is too limiting to even try to define who would most benefit from this type of device?

Howe:  Remember that DualCor is a platform.  Whenever companies try to define how people will use a platform, they almost always underestimate the ingenuity of the user.  Take text-messaging, for example.  Who thought that texting would become as essential as talking for an entire generation of mobile phone users.  For us to dictate which industries will find ways to use the DualCor platform to their advantage, would be presumptuous in the extreme.  Our job is to provide the platform in an elegant, stable form, make it easy to buy and easy to use.  The rest will be up to the users.  They’ll devise ways to use the cPC tat we could never have anticipated.

Gear Diary: Are average consumers in the DualCor customer plan at this time? If not, why?

Howe:  Absolutely!  But aren’t we all “average” consumers of mobile technology?  If you use mobile technology, you’re a consumer.  The VAR and Reseller-System Integrator industry will find ways to customize the platform for their customers—that’s their value add, and they are far more adept and nimble at it that we could be.  Our job is to get the platform right and to make it available where customers want to buy it.

5. Version two will have BT & WiFi, and some way to plug in other wireless protocols.   Because of radio frequency issues different radios can’t easily be put inside the “box”, but they can go outside somewhere, say under a sliding screen, without conflict.

Gear Diary: Does this mean that version one will definitely ship “as is”, with no radio installed?

Howe:  Bryan Cupps, DualCor founder and CTO, has developed a way to add radios to the first rev. of the cPC.  The implementation of that will be determined by the outcome of our decisions on Version 1.0.  You can add communications to the cPC today through USB or through the secure digital slot.

Gear Diary: Can you talk about this plug-in module technology a bit more?

Howe: I could, and I will, by not now.

6. DualCor is presently looking for a lead investor – they have the promise of  investment from several secondary investors, but they need one lead investor that is not only credible, but who also believes in the product and in the market who will lead the investment.

Gear Diary: Why is a “lead investor” so important? Can you explain in layman’s terms this type investor’s role in bringing a product to market?

Howe: In any venture type of investment, there is generally always a “lead” investor who sets the valuation and issues a “term sheet” which outlines the terms of the investment.  Typically, that lead investor is a venture capital firm, or an investment bank or firm which does that sort of thing as its primary business.  There are any number of those firms.  The more credible that firm is, meaning that it has done successful investment deals in the past in companies like DualCor, the more likely they are to get it right, and that inspires confidence in others to join the investment.  

There is risk in all such investments, so the more successful a firm has been with these investments, the more attractive it is for others to “venture” with them.  It’s a very interesting time in the venture capital world right now, and the risk appetite for hardware ventures such as DualCor is quite constrained.  Hardware is and always has been risky, and, frankly, that is one of the reasons there is such a dearth of innovative hardware solutions today—it’s hard to raise capital for new kinds of hardware.  To be fair, venture capital is cautions about taking a risk on innovative or disruptive hardware for fear that it might not succeed, or if it does, it might have a hard time making a profit. 

We’ve all seen that happen over the years.  Our position, though, is that DualCor does not fit that mold.  We believe our protect-able IP (intellectual property), our breakthrough and disruptive designs, and the market requirements for mobile capabilities are all coming together at the same time.  And, into the bargain, the DualCor platform is not a commodity.  One of the problems with hardware devices in the last ten years, particularly in the platform area, is that everybody has had the same platform at the same time making differentiation very difficult and commoditization a foregone conclusion.  Hence, the basis of competition has been price, price, price.  DualCor, has an entirely new, uncopyable (without violating our patents) platform that is compatible with the mainstream platforms of the past, but which solves the requirements of the new mobile age.  That’s breakthrough, disruptive technology.

It takes a savvy, intelligent, forward-thinking investor to get that.  We know those people are out there, and we will continue our search until we find one who will lead our C-round investment.

Our argument at DualCor is that the world is going mobile, and as people get more mobile, they want and need devices that are more and more powerful, more and more flexible, more and more elegant, always on, always available, with virtually endless battery life. 

DualCor has developed and patented the foundational technology for those devices; we have the no-compromises platform for the mobile world.  I have every belief that we will connect with a venture capital firm who gets that vision and understands the DualCor opportunity, who will elect to lead the investment.  After all, that’s what made the technology industry great—venture capital that had the vision and the gumption to catch lightning in a bottle.

Gear Diary: Can I put in the request for a clickable scroll wheel of some type, preferably on the bottom or left edge of the device? And Portrait mode – in both XP and WM5? Gear Diary A Message From DualCor... photo

Howe:  There’s that integrated marketing opportunity again.  We hear you, Judie.  Both are on the roadmap.  Keep the input coming.

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About Judie Lipsett Stanford

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I have had a fascination with all types of gadgets and gizmos since I was a child, beginning with the toy robot that my grandmother gave my brother - which I promptly "relieved him of" in 1973. I have long been captivated by devices that did anything interesting or served a unique purpose - however silly. I can't tell you how everything works – but I am known world-wide for using a product until I have a full understanding of what it does, what its limitations are, and if it excels in any given area...or not.
  • mikelaaron

    What a bad interview-

    You know- we finally get a chance to put DualCor on the spot and all the interviewer does (yes, i know who she is and that all the tech blogs love her) is ask leading questions- and fluff ones at that.

    What about bringing DualCor to task for missing the launch by a whole year? What about nailing them for their deceptive marketing on their website (Dualcor is better than a UMPC? UMPC’s have launched and can be bought, my friend).

    Just makes me mad- they were ready to change the world, put OQO in it’s place, remap the mobile workforce. And then, nothing.

    Here was the opportunity to ask the hard questions, not get them to read from their marketing and investment brochure.

    Shame on you Judie.

  • Allen Hong

    :S I still want one! When can I plunk down my hard earned bucks???

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  • http://www.carrypad.com steve-chippy

    Interesting article. I’ve read a lot between the lines there.

    The ‘core proposition’ (creating a kind of ACPI, control and data bus between low and high power computers that share preipherals.) is quite a nice idea of course. I’d love to share a disk, screen, loudspeakers, network from my UMPC to my smartphone. I can use my smartphone as a control device and leave my UMPC in a bag. The problem with cPC is that you are forced to have a pocket PC (The DualCor doesn’t have cellular radio right?) locked into the same casing as a UMPC. That negates many of the reasons for sharing resources in the first place and doesn’t solve any of the problems of sharing resources onto a Smartphone. You end up with three devices to look after. Now if they had developed a wireless way of doing this, a kind of advanced UPnP or clustered parallel BIOS, then I could keep my smartphone in my pocket and my UMPC in my bag. That would make for a very valuable IP.

    The other advantage of this core proposition is battery life but in 18months, this problem will be solved anyway. We already have 4 hour UMPCs (Samsung Q1b, Raon Digital Vega) so its been proved that you don’t really need to hard-control a UMPC to achieve useable battery life.

    Their core proposition doesn’t have much of a useable life in my opinion. In fact, I think they’ve just wasted 30% of the value of it in their one-year delay.

    Regards
    Steve.

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  • http://www.geardiary.com Judie

    Well mikelaaron, this was my interview so I asked what I wanted to know. I guess I don’t feel the frustration and anger that you do, but I understand what you are feeling.

    There is always the possibility that if you post a respectfully worded question to Rob, he might answer. Antagonistic vitriol is not usually the way to get a polite response, though.

    You posted the same comment both here and on Pocket PC Thoughts, so you evidently are worried that your voice won’t be “heard”. I hear you. I don’t particularly agree with you, but I hear you.

  • mikelaaron

    I’m sorry i seemed a bit harsh-
    It’s just that nothing has changed with DualCor yet- no updated press releases (other than the annoucement of personnel changes)- the most we heard from dulacor was due to Dave at mobility-today, and then he abruptly left the board.
    I had called and emailed Dualcor, not with any other request than- “could you please provide an update as to the status of the cPc”- exactly those words.

    Never received an answer. Their phones weren’t even working for a while (it was my question, regarding their status, to gottabemobile.com that got a a phone interview).

    They seemed none too proud to show off their product almost a year ago, and then on the day they were to “release” the product, they instead “announced” that there was going to be a developer program.

    I understand why you asked the questions you did- and i’m not suggesting (although my language may have shown otherwise) that the interview needs to turn into a name-calling match or a fist fight… it would just be nice to hear some real answers.

    You got a prototype and a chance to get the interview that everyone would have liked to get-
    it would have been nice to get some hard answers regarding what happened between CES 2006 and today, and what is the likelyhood that any of us non-industry types will ever get to purchase one.

  • http://www.geardiary.com Judie

    mikel, thanks for the apology. It is accepted and much appreciated. :-)

    Now…what makes you think that this was a one shot deal for any of us to get answers? The way I see it, a dialogue has been opened and as long as we all talk in calm tones, we may get replies.

    I suspect that what might have happened between CES 2006 and today is that there may have been promises made when things looked a certain way, but perhaps things didn’t go as planned. It happens… :neutral:

    Reading what Rob said about needing a lead investor shows me that they have a product that is ready to get off the ground if the right person will fund it. The fact that I have one in my hand shows that it is not vaporware, it’s just not finished or mass-produced at the moment.

    I believe in the cPC because once it has built-in WiFi and BT, it will be near perfect for my needs. If it has the capability to add various plug-in radios “under a sliding screen” as Rob alluded to…wow. The technology he’s talking about is impressive and evidently it will be feasible if the right person will step forward to make it happen.

    Where are Paul Allen or Bill Gates when we need them? ;-)

    Rather than bash DualCor for trying to get the word out about the cPC – yes, perhaps a bit too early, I would like to commend their innovation and talk about the possibilities until this device that I want sees the light of day.

    I would like to think that a consumer cPC will become available sometime during the next year. I can wait, even if it is a bit impatiently. :-P

  • dougom

    Despite the usual corporate flim-flammery that any CEO or COO would engage in, I think that Rob Howe has (and alludes to) a valid point: the mobile computing realm is still very much in flux, and how these devices will be used is definitely an open issue. dualCor, it is clear, is giving themselves the space via their design to have users create plenty of potential market areas for their product.

    At the risk of sounding like a marketing droid myself, mobile computing is in its infancy, and anyone who says they know how these Origami/UMPC/convergent devices will be used is really deluding themselves. I have my own ideas, of course (I think a hand-sized device with a laptop-sized amount of computing power, that you can unplug from your docking station and take on the road would be invaluable, but that’s just my take), and I’m sure Mike does, and Judy, and Rob Howe, and Bill Gates, and you-name-it. But to quote Neal Stephenson, “You may have envisioned half a dozen potential markets for your product, but as soon as you open your doors, one just explodes from the pack and becomes so instantly important that good business sense dictates that you abandon the others and concentrate all your efforts.” I personally don’t think dualCor is being unreasonable in the way they are proceeding; I’m sure their hoping that some application (real-world application, I mean; not software application) will make this device invaluable to some segment of the market.

    On the flip side, yeah, they’re really late. And they’re going to miss the Christmas season. And their web site is really really out of date. And they haven’t done a demo or a roadshow or gone to a trade show in a long long time, so far as I can tell. So it’s possible that, no matter how good their device is, they will (or maybe already have) miss their window.

    But they’ve made a bet that customers will find a valuable use for having both WM and Windows XP (or Vista) on the same device. And maybe they’re going to be proved right. All I know is that I wish I had an evaluation copy.

    Just my own thoughts, of course.

  • http://www.carrypad.com steve-chippy

    Judie.

    You said “I believe in the cPC because once it has built-in WiFi and BT, it will be near perfect for my needs.”

    What needs ‘profile’ is it that you think matches the DualCor?

    Is there something that better on a PocketPC than on WIndows XP/Vista except saving 4 seconds switch-on time? Wouldn’t you prefer your PocketPC integrated onto your phone? (WM5 Smartphone.)

    Steve.

  • http://www.geardiary.com Judie

    “What needs ‘profile’ is it that you think matches the DualCor?”
    That’s not something I would even hazard to guess. I just know that for me, being able to switch between the two operating systems has been exactly what I needed at times.

    “Is there something that better on a PocketPC than on WIndows XP/Vista except saving 4 seconds switch-on time?”
    Yes, there is massively improved battery life when using functions that can be done on the less battery – hungry WM5 side of the device…such as reading eBooks or working in mobile Office programs.

    “Wouldn’t you prefer your PocketPC integrated onto your phone? (WM5 Smartphone.)”
    I have that now with my JasJar. It’s nice, but no – I don’t prefer it. For one thing, the screen on the cPC completely spoils you – especially when in WM5. While the average PPC Phone is sporting a 2.8″ screen, I have a 5″ screen and the difference in what I see is amazing. Although the JasJar’s nearly 4″ screen is great, it doesn’t even approach this visibility level.

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  • http://www.carrypad.com steve-chippy

    Hi Judie.

    Thanks for the answer.

    “has been exactly what I needed at times”, “massively improved battery life” and “I have a 5? screen and the difference in what I see is amazing” sums it up.

    It battery life can be improved on a 5″ UMPC, why would you need a Dualcor?

    SOrry to keep going on about this but I really believe that they are losing too much ground now. The 4.5 hour 4.2″ Vega is here and DualCor need a new USP.

    Steve.

  • http://www.geardiary.com Judie

    Steve it’s fine. :-)

    Let me ask you a couple of questions:

    When using a UMPC, do they get very warm? (i.e. warmer than a PDA does)

    What’s the start-up time?

    You had mentioned “saving 4 seconds switch-on time?”, but it is actually closer to a full minute. WM5 starts instantly, just like on any Pocket PC; it’s only the XP side that takes a while to come on, so I was just wondering. :-)

    In any case: I believe that the market is big enough for all types of devices, and that having more options available means consumers will be able to make more personal need or desire-driven choices. Perhaps some ground may have been lost by DualCor, but I don’t believe that they haven’t got a place in the micro Tablet PC/UMPC market. I think the more the merrier, because it means more for me to choose from.

    Thanks for the conversation. :-)

  • http://www.carrypad.com steve-chippy

    Hi.

    I’ll give you the heat issue. You could probably watch a 320×240 1.2mbps video on the pocketpc side of things without heat build-up.

    XP takes 5 seconds to start up on my UMPC. Suspend mode works perfectly. Why would I need to reboot it every time? The Vega takes 6 seconds as I recall. I probably soft-boot my PocketPC after less usage hours than my UMPC come to think of it.

    I guess if they hit the right target market and can keep the margins high enough it could work. I mean its not as if it’s being launched into a sea of UMPCs (unless they wait another year!)

    Steve
    Carrypad.com

  • http://www.geardiary.com Judie

    “XP takes 5 seconds to start up on my UMPC. Suspend mode works perfectly. Why would I need to reboot it every time? The Vega takes 6 seconds as I recall. I probably soft-boot my PocketPC after less usage hours than my UMPC come to think of it.”

    Ah okay, that’s what I was wondering. I don’t really use a suspend mode on the cPC because 80% of the time I am using the PPC side. I’ll boot XP, get what I needed, and then turn it off – hence the >minute boot time. Of course, if XP is still on and I am in the PPC side, switching over is instantaneous.

    Bear in mind that I like to read eBooks…a lot. Which means I am holding the device in my hand for long periods of time. If the device is in XP and it’s hot, that won’t be much fun.

    So just out of curiosity, how is battery life when your UMPC is in suspend mode? Can it make it the whole day? Days?

    I agree with you about the sea of UMPCs…I can’t wait to see what 2007 and 2008 will bring. :-)

  • http://www.carrypad.com steve-chippy

    Standby is difficult to measure. (I use the device everyday now!)
    I should measure this as its a good point. I think we’re talking max 36 hours standby so there’s something to consider!

    I’ve been reading e-books on the Pepperpad (and doing a lot of browsing – its a really comfortable solution)
    Standby on that is much better than most UMPCs as is battery life. (3 hours)

    Regards
    Steve.

  • http://www.geardiary.com Judie

    JK from jkOnTheRun just posted his thoughts on the situation, quoting heavily from this review:

    http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2006/10/jkontherun_vapo.html#comments



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