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Where it all started

So you say you’re getting download errors on HD movies in iTunes?  You’ve contacted Apple support, and they haven’t been able to help?  Your HD movie sits there in your download queue, just sitting and sitting, and when you try to download it, it times out after slooooowly downloading just a few megabytes?  Learn from me, grasshopper, and you will save yourself some time!

All I wanted was to buy and download a movie for Maggie.

See:  my daughter asked if she could buy a movie, specifically Picture This.  I don’t have any particular interest in this movie, but she wanted it, and she was willing to pay for it out of her allowance money, so I agreed.  She purchased the High Def version, but once the Standard Def version was downloaded, she lost interest in waiting, and happily started watching.

What happens now is a quirk of iTunes; the HD version stayed in my download queue.  And it would never download.  I didn’t need it, but there it sat, in my queue.  In the way.  Annoying the living crap out of me.  So hell, I figured we had an enormously wide pipe at work; I’d download from there.

Time out error.

Maybe it’s the firewall software.

Time out error.

Maybe I should reinstall iTunes.

Time out error.

I  contacted Apple support.  They suggested I check my ISP (it’s a 200 Mbps upload/25 Mbps download work monster–seems unlikely); they suggested I update to the latest version of iTunes (um . . .); they suggested I check my firewall software (um . . . part II).  In other words, they were pretty much as useless as Apple software support tends to be.  (Why is Apple hardware support so good, but software support so lame?  You can get a hardware support person to call you at a pre-arranged time.  There is no software support phone line.)

They refunded the money while apologizing, and sending me some more “Here’s some software stuff you might try” boilerplate.  Not too helpful, but at least they refunded the money–those HD movies are expensive on iTunes.

In desperation, I checked the discussion boards.  My reluctance is not that the information in the discussion boards is bad; it’s that there’s too damn much of it, and so it’s darn near impossible to find what you need.

(Are you still with me?  Because this turns out to not be Apple’s fault; it’s Internet Explorer’s fault.)

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Verily, IE, the fault lies with thee!

I got lucky, and found a clue.  Internet Explorer versions lower than 8.0 have a limit on the size of files that can be downloaded through HTTP.  This poster suggested that you either follow the instructions to increase the default download file size limit, or just update to the latest version of IE.  Now, I hardly ever use Internet Explorer, so I had no idea what version I was running.  When I opened it up and checked, it was version 6.  (Hey, it’s a work laptop; cut me some slack.)  I also didn’t know if iTunes used HTTP in any way to facilitate downloads, but the hints in the discussion group led me to believe that it did.  And besides, nothing else was working, so I might as well give it a try.

Well, at least I didn’t get the blue screen of death.

So now the fun really begins.  Unfortunately, since I didn’t have the proper ActiveX software installed, instead of being able to click the big “Download now!” button, I had to follow a separate link on the page.    Once there, and once I finished telling it what version of Windows I had, I was able to download the new IE installation software.

I’ll spare you the details, but the cycle at this point goes like this:

  • Install IE
  • Reboot system
  • Install “windows update” –this will give you some recommendations with regard to updating other Windows software on your system
  • Perform an “express check” to find if any software is missing (in my case, there were 14 other packages that needed installing
  • Install them; it might take a while, depending on what you were missing
  • Reboot again

Finally, I relaunched iTunes.  I start the download.  It’s working–yay!

But let’s rewind.  Remember where we started?  Just downloading a movie on iTunes.  And where did we end up?  Upgrading Microsoft packages.  Not intuitive, definitely.  But learn from my struggles in case you get a timeout error while downloading large iTunes files (or any large files)–update IE!

And may the force be with you.

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Doug is a nerd from way back, falling for a Commodore PET at the age of 15, and never looking back. Riding the nerd wave, he got a Computer Science degree and entered the tech industry at a young age, deciding after a year and a half of front-line phone technical support that he should try something, *anything* else. He settled on technical writing, and has been cranking out documentation for companies like Unisys, SGI, Cisco, Juniper, and many others ever since. He is nothing short of ecstatic to be working for H-P from his home base in Austin.
  • http://www.geardiary.com Judie Lipsett

    Jeez. Okay, so some questions: What browser do you usually use on your laptop? Chrome? Firefox? And because of the limitation on IE (which you weren’t using at all), you couldn’t download the file without tweaking IE?

    If I am understanding what you are saying, this has got to be one of the craziest things I’ve read. :-/

  • paschott

    Gotta agree with Judie. IE causing problems with Apple software? What’s up with that? Admittedly, I upgraded from IE6 relatively quickly just to get an IE that was a little better with standards, but even then I typically use Firefox or Chrome for most of my browsing. I wouldn’t have figured something like this to be IE related, though I guess if Apple is just hooking into the native Windows stack, it’s probably tied in some way.

    Odd problem, but thanks for sharing the solution. Definitely something to keep in mind if I have similar issues for some reason.

  • http://www.geardiary.com Douglas Moran

    Judie: I use Firefox. And yeah, I *never* would have guessed that it was an IE problem without searching diligently through the discussion groups. Clearly Apple didn’t guess, either. (I sent them a note; I haven’t heard back several days later.)

    paschott: My *guess* is that this is a vestige of the whole Microsoft “the Web *is* the desktop!” days, when they were trying to make IE and the desktop tightly tied together. In my experience, Microsoft apps have this unfortunate tendency to run in inappropriate way, e.g. doing traps in low memory, that can bugger things up for other, non-Microsoft apps.

    I can *easily* believe that, 10 years ago when they were trying to do this, MS thought, “We need to set some sort of limit on file download size; *no one* is going to need to download files that are bigger than *2 GB*, for the love o’ Pete!”

  • paschott

    Good point on that. Especially since there was a time that files > 2GB were not even allowed. And yeah, I tend to agree – there has been an unfortunate tendency to integrate IE into everything. I applaud them for including a web browser by default in the OS – it does have uses, if only to download another browser easily. I have been frustrated by them trying to go their own way and causing all sorts of headaches in the process.

  • doogald

    It’s always Internet Explorer’s fault.

    Golly, though I use a Mac, I’m guessing that I will get a call from somebody someday asking why they can’t download stuff in iTunes on their Win boxes. Thanks for posting this! (Now, the question is, will my aging brain cells *remember* reading this?)

  • http://www.geardiary.com Douglas Moran

    paschott: yes, I agree with all of your points.

    doogald: Yes, that’s why I posted. With the vast majority of files available for download on iTunes currently being < 2GB, this problem is *very* intermittent–only if you have IE 6.0 or earlier *and* are trying to download a file bigger than 2GB–a fairly rare combination. (I'm told the limit on files when running IE 7 is 4GB instead of 2 GB, but haven't tested it.) It's the HD *movie* files that are in that range, so a ton of people haven't hit that problem.

    However, with the iPad coming out, people will have the capability of watching HD movies on their portable devices, so I think the problem will become more prevalent. But maybe I'm being paranoid; maybe most folks have already upgraded to IE 8. I dunno, but I think Apple might just want to be *aware* of the problem at the very least.

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  • jaxim

    iTunes should have given an error message that let you know what the problem was. I’ve heard that the iTunes version for a Windows is a dog of a program.

  • http://www.geardiary.com Douglas Moran

    jaxim: yes, and yes.

    Here’s an update on what the Apple support people said:

    “Thank you for your reply back with this information. I will defiantly add that information. I am happy to see that you were able to download and access “Picture This”. I wish you the best and hope that you continue to enjoy the iTunes Store. ”

    (Yes, she said “defiantly add”; oh well.)

    iTunes is a pretty bad hog on a PC–a very heavy app. I’ve never seen it run on a Mac, so I have no idea how it compares.