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  • Anonymous

    Well dang. I spent hard-earned money for four years completing a Masters in Music Theory when I could have got the same information for less than $20.

    By the way, that “Share” button you guys have floating over top of the text I’m trying to read is downright annoying. In my RSS reader, it opens up so I CAN’T read what’s underneath and doesn’t allow me to collapse it. In my browser, I have a little more room, and it will collapse, but it’s still a pain.

    I’m pretty sure there’s a Website Design for Dummies or Idiots…no actual insult to your intellect intended, of course!!

    • http://www.geardiary.com Michael Anderson

      I know your reply was intended as snark, but I know exactly what you mean!  Between ‘Statisticians for Dummies’ and folks who take a one-day compressed Six Sigma class and suddenly think they are ready to replace those of us actually educated as statisticians … well, it is frustrating.

      But here, like there – there is an upside.  I have found those with the quickie courses to be more ‘statistically minded’.  And while these books are not going to make ‘Structural Functions of Harmony’ a light read for someone, if it takes someone out of three-chord-hell and puts them on a course of actually expanding their musical vocabulary, that is a good thing.

      And I am with you on the share button, btw … I seem to click it when I don’t want to and have to chase it down when I DO want to click it!

      • Anonymous

        Yeah, they’re generally good books. I bought one of the Dummies books years ago when I was first learning about HTML, and I referred to it quite often until I became halfway comfortable writing simple code.

        The inherent difficulty with learning a subject like Music Theory from a book is the lack of practical application. With a subject like HTML, I read about it, type it in, and see how it looks. With a subject like Kindle For Dummies, I presumably have a Kindle sitting there…or Personal Finance for Dummies, I have my own budget where I can apply the suggestions. It’s easy to see the end result or at least envision the result with some accuracy from the minute you read about it in the book.

        Music Theory doesn’t work that way at all.

        Consider an A7/G chord (A7 in third inversion). Knowing what to call it is only half of the battle. There are several other names you could give that chord, which can make it difficult to communicate with a musician who has a different background. The same chord can be notated on a staff in a multitude of ways.

        A book can’t teach you how to recognize it when you hear it. The CD might, if it’s well done. But then, you also need to understand why it’s preferable to a root position A& chord in certain instances, why it progresses nicely to a D/F# (D in first inversion) and be able to recognize not just the individual chords, but that move from one chord to the other.

        Then later, you learn you can deliberately surprise a listener and create more interesting music if you take that A7/G somewhere other than where it’s usually expected to go.

        The problem with music books intended for self-instruction is the format itself. The book. Of course, a book can be helpful, but most people must be shown examples when it comes to Music Theory.

        Another problem is the presumption that everyone can read the treble and bass clef after one or two lessons. The staff is the single most confusing barrier to learning how to read music, and it sure doesn’t help clarify anything when it comes to theory. Music itself isn’t really all that complicated, but the staff makes it complicated. The staff evolved over time into the monster it is today rather than being designed from the ground up in a logical fashion. And of course, there’s no way to get the world to change now, because as the old Gospel song says, “We’ve come too far to look back.”

        Books like this (though not necessarily these particular books) also assume that because the piano is the most obvious instrument to show flats and sharps, every example should be given on a piano keyboard. I’ve yet to see a Music Theory book that wasn’t geared primarily around the staff and the piano. That’s can be great for someone who was formally trained. When you’re looking at self-taught musicians, though, a guitar is much more likely to be their instrument of choice.

        • http://www.geardiary.com Michael Anderson

          I know you have totally pre-judged this entire thing – and like I said, I largely agree that you are not going to become an expert here, but that isn’t even the POINT of these sorts of books.  I get what you are saying, but disagree that these books are as totally useless as you seem to be implying.  They have a place and purpose, and I am of the opinion after working through both of them for an extended time period that they work acceptably well for that purpose.  You are of the opposite opinion despite never seeing either book – which is fine so long as you are clear in your bias.

          As an example, you go on about the guitar – and I show the fingering charts from Idiot’s Guide in a screenshot.

          I also show piano fingerings from Dummies, which is followed by guitar fingerings.  Both books work across a variety of skill levels.

          But it should be noted – this is called ‘music theory’ … which in reality pre-supposes an interest in learning music theory and an open-ness to learning the mechanics of the staff system.  People starting here will have worked enough with an instrument to desire a deeper understanding.

          Again, the books are loaded with examples – I have stated all this repeatedly.  They both come with audio and example-based CDs … which I also clearly stated.

          • Anonymous

            I’m actually not saying the books are totally useless, nor do I expect someone to become an expert by using them. You are correct that I haven’t examined these particular books.

            I’m simply pointing out some of the difficulties a person will encounter when trying to teach themselves Music Theory from a book vs. a number of other subjects that are more suited to a Dummy/Idiot’s guide approach.

            You have already mentioned a similar frustration with a text that attempts to simplify the field of statistics, but yeah, I’d concede that if a book helps someone move beyond where they are as a musician, then it’s worth $20.

            • http://www.geardiary.com Michael Anderson

              That EXACTLY nails what I was trying to get at!  Thanks!

  • http://www.geardiary.com/ Judie Stanford

    Let me see if I can’t fix that. No insult taken. ;-)

    • Anonymous

      Thanks! That’s much better.

      • http://www.geardiary.com/ Judie Stanford

        Oh good! I was just about to ask. =)

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